In this interview with Malcolm and Simone Collins, a husband and wife team, authors and creators of the podcast Based Camp, we explore their book, The Pragmatists Guide to Crafting Religion, to explore the problem of low birth rates for advanced economies and cultures. To be specific, in modern advanced economies and cultures with gender egalitarian norms and low levels of poverty, there is a great forward advance, but a regression in terms of how we reproduce ourselves. In short: how do we have our cake and eat it too? This brings up great paradoxes of evolution and religion that have been obfuscated by contemporary narratives, both scientific-rationalist narratives and religious-mystical narratives. For the Collins, we have to start thinking for future generations, and the best way to do that is in pragmatically constructing religious structures that are able to sustain intergenerational transmission, which will resolve the issue of low fertility, as well as preserve modern rights and freedoms, as well as diversity and expression.