This conversation revolves around ideas of the mechanism of sublation, the general nature of creativity, and our own personal creative drives. We open with reflections on Hegel's Phenomenology of Spirit as a subjective initiation or rite of passage into knowing through confrontation with an increasing intensity of contradictions. We then think the standpoint of knowing as the strange unity of Being-Nothing in which the process of becoming is situated in Hegel's thought. From this our thought revolves around problems of political unity, technological homogenisation, science and subjectivity, our subjectivity and its names and limits, as well as meta-reflections on "magnetic zeroes" and "global brain singularities".