There is an excess which repeats most easily when not observed (it does not want to be observed?). This excess is its own knowledge as the center of enjoyment and truth of identity. Of relevance to our on-going discussion, the excess seems to appear most deeply at the site of lack. Being in touch with this experiential knowing seems primal, and brings one to sites or drives of the body, whether oral, genital, anal, nasal, visionary or vocal. Does it make sense to say this excess is the place of "perfect" forms? What is our relation to perfect forms in time? What role do these forms play in our maturation as subjects? How can we be in touch, or in-formed by these forms, while also maintaining separation?